"Fuck Jesus" should be celebrated to commemorate His first time, when, after prolonged fumbling with the condom, he came after a minute and wondered if was the only one doing it wrong in the history of humanity. Seeing as how this probably happened near his 18th or perhaps 21st birthday, it could Fuck Jesus could overlap with Christmas.
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Unfortunealy I think this is a case of all the Christians getting slapped for what the "War on Christmas" crowd does.
I sometimes feel sorry for them when they complain about schools forbidding Christmas carols. Then I remember who started this, and yes it was them, and it was their attacks on public school sponsored halloween parties that were you know... teaching religion and converting their children.
Happy Yule :)
Happy Pagan Tree Festival
But I think that the issue is more about privilege. Some Christian acknowledge that not everyone celebrates Xmas and adjusts their greetings accordingly. Other Christians get VERY defensive.
It's a minor blip on the privilege radar, but it is amazing how much this echoes in the racism and sexism debates (where the term "check your privilege" becomes a tedious shorthand for valid discussions)
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Yeah. I was watching Palin and O'Reilly on O'Reilly's show sort of congradulating themselves on not being offended when someone says "happy holidays" and then proceeding to throw hissys over kids not being allowed to sing Christmas carols and the whole "how awful it is that people actually question the town government spending money on a religious display that 60-80 percent of the town participate in".
On the other hand, when it comes to priveledge and checking it, I just accept that if that phrase gets thrown down, I might as well stop participating. I'm white and while not Christian, certainly "Christian descent" so I am priveledged.
Valid concept. Dumb way of saying it. There's a world of difference between "No, I don't think that you are personally racist or sexist but you have certain advantages that come from a racist and sexist society" and "Check your Privilege" (damnit, I am using the keyboard without the exclamation points) One is a discussion and the other one is a bully pulpit.
I'm honestly curious, are there schools where kids are banned from singing Christmas carols, or is that made up? Because I work in a school where the population is primarily Hindu and Muslim, and there's still a Christmas assembly with carols and a tree.
Not exactly. There are some schools that are choosing to not have religious Christmas songs at the "winter concert" rather than deal with the issue. Silent Night is a no, but RuDolf is cool. Kids aren't banned from singing carols, the schools are just choosing to not choose Christmas carols for songs in the official concerts.
On behalf of all the Jews (particularly Irving Berlin) I would like to say You're Welcome for coming up with all those non-Christian Xmas Carols.
Hee hee hee don't thank me, I am a tone deaf wonder. Trust me when I say it is possible for "Jingle Bells" to make someone cringe.
I'm white and while not Christian, certainly "Christian descent" so I am priveledged.
Hm? Priveledged meaning 'allowed to not take offense'?
Then I remember who started this, and yes it was them, and it was their attacks on public school sponsored halloween parties that were you know... teaching religion and converting their children.
Are you sure of the sequence there? It was in the early 1960s that O'Hair et al stopped prayer and Bible reading in public schools. Do you have a source for successful anti-Halloween stuff before that?
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I never saw Halloween themed stuff in my school, but the religious crap was always front and center. i was a Christian then so it didn't matter, but it's still irksome.
Hah, I love this rant. It is a rant of Great Righteousness. I've seen that meme going around too, and kind of wanted to comment, but can't quite bring myself to give enough of a fuck. Yet.
But really, are there Jews that went around last week wishing random non-Jews Happy Hanukkah? Because I have never once done that. I do get offended when people wish me Happy Hanukkah at Christmas—like, it's not Jew Christmas people, you can Google that shit—especially from official channels. I don't feel oppressed or anything when people wish me a Merry Christmas, but the expectation that it's everyone's holiday and that I should embrace it on a cultural/religious/capitalist level is irritating as all fuck.
for mailing me and asking me to go off on it. Apparently, he thought that it was bothersome but didn't want to come off as a jerk for slamming on something that basically seemed good intentioned. So I got called up. THis is not the first time the "I don't want to appear like an asshole so could you do it for me?" request has come my way.
And I do love that the picture includes 5-6 alternatives to "Merry Xmas" as if anyone ever has a problem with them. At this point, I think I will walk around wishing everyone a Happy Hanukkah. It's much more Dada than the simple college smartass phrase of "Happy Pagan Tree Festival".
And I am so fascinated by the subtle differences that come from this meme which is basically something I agree with in practice (Am I going to go around telling people to fuck off for wishing me a Merry Xmas?) but when I'm basically being ordered to not be annoyed with the constant Xmas pushing by a Xian who is feeling very insecure about the presence of non-Xians, I get grumpy.
Of course, it's the bitching about the commercialization of Xmas that really gets on my nerves. Suddenly Ann Coulter and Bill O'Reilly are Marxists.
I say "you too!"
It's funny and the Christmas wishes may end up backfiring on the well-wisher if they are some other non-Christian, like a Muslim or Hindu. Mean, perhaps but funny.
It is amazing how little I mind being wished a Merry Christmas, but being ordered to be cool with it gets on my nerves.
I'm an American individualist. Can't help it.
I saw the "someone says ... you say" image on the blog of a militant atheist. How might he tweak the wording so that you might not take it as a command?
Oh, it's so much worse than this.
Happened to hear, on the Wed., 11 Dec. edition of CBC Radio One's This Is That
, an interview with Sharon Coyle of the Canadian Association Alliance
, who objects to the phrase "Happy Holidays" not because it's not Christmas-specific, but because she doesn't think that any
one should wish any
one a happy any
thing. "If you're working, you can't have a happy holiday" and "Don't impose your wishes on anyone" are some of her typical (paraphrased) remarks. (The quote from This Is That
's blog entry under the previous link is even more outlandish: "First off, to assume someone is actually happy is obscenely offensive. Secondly, to speculate that a person is on holiday is equivalent to slapping them in the face.")
Her solution? Use either "It's December!" or "It's winter!" instead. (She actually prefers "It's winter!," since she also thinks that it's rude to assume that everyone you encounter uses the same calendar.)
You can listen to the segment (5:20) here
. If I didn't know better, I'd swear it was an SNL
or a This Hour Has 22 Minutes
skit. Edited at 2013-12-16 01:42 am (UTC)