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Tired Tired Arguments [May. 2nd, 2014|03:34 am]
Tim Lieder
Facebook is getting annoying. The Sterling discussion is just going on and on. He said something racist but he's been a racist and sometimes you come across the Defensive White People syndrome but you always come across them. Whenever something is so fucking racist that it can't be ignored the round of "Well not all white people are that bad" and "no, it's not really that racist" but then that other strain starts happening - the false equivalency articles. Sterling said something racist - so here's something about Spike Lee saying something about white people. Paula Dean said N-----, and some guy called Clarence Thomas an Uncle Tom. Forget about Redskins, we have #cancelcolbert where we can both slam on the "hypocritical liberals" and take a rather unbalanced woman who calls herself a 'twitter activist' seriously. George Zimmerman chased down Trayvon Martin, murders him and gets away with it. Hey, did you see the news story about the black kid that shot the baby? Yeah, totally scary black teenager! Told you that Zimmerman was justified. And if you don't believe me, I'm going to post stories about black teenagers randomly punching out strangers.

Today I said as much when a friend posted one of those "Spike Lee is also racist, so come on" and some asshole called me a white liberal feeling guilty and abasing himself so that black people will like me.

It's another tired argument. We can't be pissed about racism or the unfairness of oppression because it's wrong. No one who has ever thought that this systematic oppression is bullshit has ever done it for pure motives or at empathy. No. It's white guilt. Male feminists just want to get laid. If you believe in gay rights, it's not because you have gay friends or relatives and you don't want them to suffer. It's not because you hate injustice. Nope. You must be gay.

And to a lesser extent - and this one I don't see often because most of my FB friends are Jews - there's the "I know Jews that are against Israel (or very critical of Israel) and some even compare Israel to Nazi Germany" or something along those lines. And everyone who states this fact is doing it in defense of being called anti-Semitic for being overtly critical of Israel - but of course, it's not the criticism. It's the comparison of Israel to Nazi Germany and the obsession with Israel's crimes and a de facto free pass to every other nation. Actually that last one is a combination of anti-Semitism and anti-Arab racism since somehow Syria is expected to engage in genocide without too much consternation from outsiders.

But it's not about Israel so much as the tired and pathetic state of the arguments. It's like those old BBS chat rooms where new people would come in and say things that they thought was revelatory ("fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity") not realizing how boring and sad they were being. I have actually seen "some of my best friends are black" written on these forums.

[User Picture]From: bemused_leftist
2014-05-03 06:22 am (UTC)
some guy called Clarence Thomas an Uncle Tom.

Publicly, as a political accusation.

Paula Dean said N-----

In private, about a bank robber who had waved a gun in her face.

Not exactly equivalent.
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[User Picture]From: marlowe1
2014-05-04 02:46 pm (UTC)
Actually no. Paula Dean was saying it as a pattern of systemic abuse of her employees. This also included having slave parties.

Clarence Thomas is an Uncle Tom. The man has voted against every piece of civil rights legislation challenged in the courts and has proudly screwed over black people (as well as poor people) by opening the door to the kinds of shenanigans that civil rights legislation was written to stop.

These aren't equivalent. Paula Dean is much worse.
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[User Picture]From: bemused_leftist
2014-05-04 11:22 pm (UTC)
Paula Dean was saying it as a pattern of systemic abuse of her employees. This also included having slave parties.

Not true. Look at the primary documents: the plaintiff's suit, and Deen's leaked deposition.

Even the plaintiff did not accuse her of what you're saying.

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